The Ruins of Beverast

Witchripper666 書き込み：

This band fucking rules!

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Jsuits1984 書き込み：

I love the doom influences on the most recent one.

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Master_ov_Khaos 書き込み：

It was hard for me to get into Rain Upon the Impure, but now I'm listening to Unlock the Shrine, and it's much more accessible.

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kangurrr 書き込み：

TRoB conjures up images of sewers, dungeons and clocktowers, so both are irrelevant. :P

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Suosaaski 書き込み：

I prefer walking in old woods rather than in a park.

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ShockSim 書き込み：

A ''walk in the park'' it may be, but some people (even so-called 'seasoned Black Metal fans') do seem to have difficulty getting into Rain Upon the Impure... That murky production seems to pose a problem for many.

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cybrauralninjuh 書き込み：

Difficult issues here. It's kinda like you guys are devout believers from different sects discussing world religions. Based on our humanity's awesome track record in that, congratulations on not getting anywhere. ...which come to think of it, is (in an aspect) why this music exists.. To insert another opinion, based on the academic summary below, I agree that TRoB is a walk in the park as far as Black Metal goes, but it's a pretty beautiful and powerful park for me.

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antitype 書き込み：

In black metal, being such an idiosyncratic genre with furthermore idiosyncratic artists working within the form (not to mention listeners with idiosyncratic tastes), love for an artist will often translate into "elitism" by nature. This has more to do with black metal listeners' appreciation for its rawness and obscure qualities than many other genres (similar to noise, psyche, etc). Some would define quality as "what is difficult," while personal tastes decide the rest, so black metal provides ample "difficulty" in general and caters to very particular tastes, even from band to band. Personally, I think TRoB is a walk in the park compared to something as "enormously ugly" and inaccessible as, say, Ildjarn (and I like Ildjarn). Somebody else might feel differently. It's not an entirely pointless conversation, but accusing someone who claims to understand and praise an artist's particular (and stated) aesthetic aims of being pretentious is a bit obnoxious...

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kangurrr 書き込み：

In comparison to other black metal acts, I would not say it is too demanding. But can't what Baletempest said about black metal be said about most music in general? We ignore other because black metal is our genre of preference, but it is certainly not the only one multifaceted and "idiosyncratic".

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LucianLuciferi 書き込み：

To end this hopeless discussion, what Baletempest said should have cleared this up already; "Black Metal is idiosyncratic, not everyone will appreciate it for the same reasons or at all.". To me, TRoB does have transcendent qualities, and I do have a very high opinion of Meilenwald's work. I appreciate it for reasons you do not, and since you do not share my very high opinion of this band, what I say will seem over the top to you. Anyone can enjoy a piece of music, but some people will find more, hear more, and experience more from the music for a variety of reasons. Those reasons have nothing at all to do with 'elitism', but simple differences between people and their preferences. My comment about enjoying and understanding the music is based on that. You find that comment pretentious because you find TRoB to be an easy listen, well, then we disagree.

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kangurrr 書き込み：

I disagree with TRoB being so unique as to have carved out their own subgenre and calling it the best there is. Those are not Meilenwald's words. Besides, the fact that LL might share Meilenwald's thoughts does not make it any better. Concerning black metal in general, "I'm not surprised that some people don't enjoy it or understand it" in regards to a relatively easy to listen to band comes out very pretentious.

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ShockSim 書き込み：

Well, if you'd care to go into a bit of detail as to what the differences actually are, I'm all ears...

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kangurrr 書き込み：

Similar, yes. I'm sorry you can't see the differences.

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ShockSim 書き込み：

"...The Ruins Of Beverast create enormously ugly music that is very hard to find access to, and that goes for Metalfans as well." ... "It isn't music that would appeal to everyone, even by black metal standards. It's black metal evolved so far that it's almost become its own genre. I'm not surprised that some people don't enjoy it or understand it...'' Well, forgive me, but those two quotes seem to convey a similar sort of sentiment...

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kangurrr 書き込み：

"It isn't music that would appeal to everyone, even by black metal standards. It's black metal evolved so far that it's almost become its own genre. I'm not surprised that some people don't enjoy it or understand it, but for those of us that do, this is the best there is. " These are the lines I have a gripe with. They're not a direct consequence of Meilenwald's words.

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ShockSim 書き込み：

''I was not talking about Meilenwald anyways''. Well, in a way, you were. It seems to me that when LucienLuciferi made his initial comment, he was just elaborating on that statement made by Meilenwald in an interview. So yeah, I'd say you disagree with the very person responsible for making the music! I don't get why you tried to have a personal dig at someone who shares Alexander's own thoughts... Why didn't you just say ''I think Meilenwald is a bit pretentious for assuming that'', and leave it there?

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kangurrr 書き込み：

Pretentious, perhaps. I was not talking about Meilenwald anyways.

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ShockSim 書き込み：

@ kangurrr: Do you think Meilenwald is an elitist for saying "..The Ruins Of Beverast create enormously ugly music that is very hard to find access to, and that goes for Metalfans as well."?

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