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- Cernovog の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 00:09
There are a few good points made in this thread, but also a few things which are still in the site, maybe users just haven't found them yet.

No, this isn't good enough and it seems that in your zeal to defend last.fm, you've missed the point entirely.

It's the equivalent of having someone remodel your house only to walk in and be completely lost to the point of barely being able to function. "When you ask, why did you take away the TV? I wanted to watch a movie." It is not satisfactory for the redecorater to say "You still have a TV, you just have open the closet, take out from behind the air conditioner and set it up in the kitchen."

Everything has been rearranged from its convenient, easy-to-find placement into an arrangement that requires a few extra clicks to do everything. Convenient and personal features have been removed or deemphasized. Instead of having everything at my fingertips, I always have "find them" as you say, as if this were satisfactory.

It's like putting the speedometer of your car in the glove compartment. Sure I still have access to it, but what good does it do me if it's not in a convenient location? If it's difficult to find? If, when I do find it, the numbers are small and hard to read?

That's what this update is like. My friends list has been deemphasized, and jammed in a forgotten corner at the bottom of the page. Their icons are shrunken, dwarfed by the humongous ad above them. My neighbors, instead of being a glace away as I look at my track list, are in a shoebox on a shelf in the closet. <sarcasm>Yeah, I'm sure I'll be visiting them more often now.</sarcasm>

Last.fm has been gutted. It's no longer user-friendly and fun. It's a maze. it's gone from a fun experience to a frustrating one. Time for another makeover. This one is an abomination. The designer should be flogged.

[quote][b][user]Cernovog[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote]There are a few good points made in this thread, but also a few things which are still in the site, maybe users just haven't found them yet.[/quote] No, this isn't good enough and it seems that in your zeal to defend last.fm, you've missed the point entirely. It's the equivalent of having someone remodel your house only to walk in and be completely lost to the point of barely being able to function. "When you ask, why did you take away the TV? I wanted to watch a movie." It is not satisfactory for the redecorater to say "You still have a TV, you just have open the closet, take out from behind the air conditioner and set it up in the kitchen." Everything has been rearranged from its convenient, easy-to-find placement into an arrangement that requires a few extra clicks to do everything. Convenient and personal features have been removed or deemphasized. Instead of having everything at my fingertips, I always have "find them" as you say, as if this were satisfactory. It's like putting the speedometer of your car in the glove compartment. Sure I still have access to it, but what good does it do me if it's not in a convenient location? If it's difficult to find? If, when I do find it, the numbers are small and hard to read? That's what this update is like. My friends list has been deemphasized, and jammed in a forgotten corner at the bottom of the page. Their icons are shrunken, dwarfed by the humongous ad above them. My neighbors, instead of being a glace away as I look at my track list, are in a shoebox on a shelf in the closet. <sarcasm>Yeah, I'm sure I'll be visiting them more often now.</sarcasm> Last.fm has been gutted. It's no longer user-friendly and fun. It's a maze. it's gone from a fun experience to a frustrating one. Time for another makeover. This one is an abomination. The designer should be flogged.[/quote]

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- DFA1979 の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 00:23
Cernovog said:
There are a few good points made in this thread, but also a few things which are still in the site, maybe users just haven't found them yet.

No, this isn't good enough and it seems that in your zeal to defend last.fm, you've missed the point entirely.

No, I've not missed the point entirely. If anything, you've missed the point of my post - I'm simply saying that some of these features which people say they miss do exist. I'm not a developer, I can't do anything about moving altering the menus or the locations of items, but what I can and did do was point out that some of these features still exist.

That's not being lost in my "zeal to defend last.fm", that's just helping people to find the things they're looking for.

[quote][b][user]DFA1979[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]Cernovog[/user][/b] said: [quote]There are a few good points made in this thread, but also a few things which are still in the site, maybe users just haven't found them yet.[/quote] No, this isn't good enough and it seems that in your zeal to defend last.fm, you've missed the point entirely. [/quote] No, I've not missed the point entirely. If anything, you've missed the point of my post - I'm simply saying that some of these features which people say they miss [i]do[/i] exist. I'm not a developer, I can't do anything about moving altering the menus or the locations of items, but what I can and did do was point out that some of these features still exist. That's not being lost in my "zeal to defend last.fm", that's just helping people to find the things they're looking for.[/quote]

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- molecaat の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 00:27
when your top artist chart changes at the end of the week, it doesn't let you know what the previous position of the artist was, like it used to.

[quote][b][user]molecaat[/user][/b] さんの発言： when your top artist chart changes at the end of the week, it doesn't let you know what the previous position of the artist was, like it used to.[/quote]

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- _Tarkus_ の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 00:43
molecaat said:
when your top artist chart changes at the end of the week, it doesn't let you know what the previous position of the artist was, like it used to.
That was a Greasemonkey script (unless you're going back all the way to the Audioscrobbler days). You need to ask the script author to please update it.

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[ King's X | Las Vegas | Atlanta Braves | Kansas City Chiefs | Family Guy | Group Owners ]

[quote][b][user]_Tarkus_[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]molecaat[/user][/b] said: when your top artist chart changes at the end of the week, it doesn't let you know what the previous position of the artist was, like it used to.[/quote] That was a Greasemonkey script (unless you're going back all the way to the Audioscrobbler days). You need to ask the script author to please update it.[/quote]

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- Studogvetmed の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 00:52
_Tarkus_ said:
molecaat said:
when your top artist chart changes at the end of the week, it doesn't let you know what the previous position of the artist was, like it used to.
That was a Greasemonkey script (unless you're going back all the way to the Audioscrobbler days). You need to ask the script author to please update it.

There was a native last.fm version for just the weekly charts, though, Tarkus. It is now gone.

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[quote][b][user]Studogvetmed[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]_Tarkus_[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]molecaat[/user][/b] said: when your top artist chart changes at the end of the week, it doesn't let you know what the previous position of the artist was, like it used to.[/quote] That was a Greasemonkey script (unless you're going back all the way to the Audioscrobbler days). You need to ask the script author to please update it.[/quote] There was a native last.fm version for just the weekly charts, though, Tarkus. It is now gone. [/quote]

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- miguel_svk の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 00:55
can't find edit venue details anywhere... (add webpage, adress, etc.)

[quote][b][user]miguel_svk[/user][/b] さんの発言： can't find edit venue details anywhere... (add webpage, adress, etc.)[/quote]

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- LordDANEgerous の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 01:00
DFA1979 said:
Cernovog said:
There are a few good points made in this thread, but also a few things which are still in the site, maybe users just haven't found them yet.

No, this isn't good enough and it seems that in your zeal to defend last.fm, you've missed the point entirely.

No, I've not missed the point entirely. If anything, you've missed the point of my post - I'm simply saying that some of these features which people say they miss do exist. I'm not a developer, I can't do anything about moving altering the menus or the locations of items, but what I can and did do was point out that some of these features still exist.

That's not being lost in my "zeal to defend last.fm", that's just helping people to find the things they're looking for.yes but you(the one that designed this) ARE to blame for them not being found. sorry it is a simple fact .

[quote][b][user]LordDANEgerous[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]DFA1979[/user][/b] said: [quote][b][user]Cernovog[/user][/b] said: [quote]There are a few good points made in this thread, but also a few things which are still in the site, maybe users just haven't found them yet.[/quote] No, this isn't good enough and it seems that in your zeal to defend last.fm, you've missed the point entirely. [/quote] No, I've not missed the point entirely. If anything, you've missed the point of my post - I'm simply saying that some of these features which people say they miss [i]do[/i] exist. I'm not a developer, I can't do anything about moving altering the menus or the locations of items, but what I can and did do was point out that some of these features still exist. That's not being lost in my "zeal to defend last.fm", that's just helping people to find the things they're looking for.[/quote]yes but you(the one that designed this) ARE to blame for them not being found. sorry it is a simple fact . [/quote]

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- DFA1979 の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 01:06
No, it's not my fault in any way, as I am a moderator not a staff member. I have nothing to do with last.fm except using the site and voluntarily helping on forums/wikis/etc. I even explained in that post you just quoted that I can't do anything about changing the layout or the location of things.

[quote][b][user]DFA1979[/user][/b] さんの発言： No, it's not my fault in any way, as I am a moderator not a staff member. I have nothing to do with last.fm except using the site and voluntarily helping on forums/wikis/etc. I even explained in that post you just quoted that I can't do anything about changing the layout or the location of things. [/quote]

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- mad_muffinz の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 01:12
Everything.

[quote][b][user]mad_muffinz[/user][/b] さんの発言： Everything.[/quote]

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- LordDANEgerous の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 01:37
DFA1979 said:
No, it's not my fault in any way, as I am a moderator not a staff member. I have nothing to do with last.fm except using the site and voluntarily helping on forums/wikis/etc. I even explained in that post you just quoted that I can't do anything about changing the layout or the location of things.
that is why i had the quotes to say (who i am speaking to)

[quote][b][user]LordDANEgerous[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]DFA1979[/user][/b] said: No, it's not my fault in any way, as I am a moderator not a staff member. I have nothing to do with last.fm except using the site and voluntarily helping on forums/wikis/etc. I even explained in that post you just quoted that I can't do anything about changing the layout or the location of things. [/quote] that is why i had the quotes to say (who i am speaking to)[/quote]

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- DFA1979 の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 01:54
But my point is that I have nothing to do with the design, at all. I'm not related to last.fm in any way except that they've asked me to be a moderator - so applying
"yes but you(the one that designed this) ARE to blame for them not being found. sorry it is a simple fact . "
to a quote of my post is simply wrong. If something's difficult to find it's the fault of the staff, of which I'm not a member.

[quote][b][user]DFA1979[/user][/b] さんの発言： But my point is that I have [i]nothing[/i] to do with the design, at all. I'm not related to last.fm in any way except that they've asked me to be a moderator - so applying "yes but you(the one that designed this) ARE to blame for them not being found. sorry it is a simple fact . " to a quote of my post is simply wrong. If something's difficult to find it's the fault of [i]the staff[/i], of which I'm not a member. [/quote]

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- kevinspencer の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 02:34
LordDANEgerous said:
that is why i had the quotes to say (who i am speaking to)Ok, you're obviously not grasping what you're being told here. Moderators are not last.fm staff, they're just users like you or me. The only difference is that they moderate the forums and have a different color user icon. That's it. They don't write code, don't design the site, don't make policy decisions.

[quote][b][user]kevinspencer[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]LordDANEgerous[/user][/b] said: that is why i had the quotes to say (who i am speaking to)[/quote]Ok, you're obviously not grasping what you're being told here. [b]Moderators are not last.fm staff[/b], they're just users like you or me. The only difference is that they [b]moderate[/b] the forums and have a different color user icon. That's it. They don't write code, don't design the site, don't make policy decisions. [/quote]

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- dicksonstdigest の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 15:04
neighbors???????

neighbors are gone? there not just hiding somewhere?

[quote][b][user]dicksonstdigest[/user][/b] さんの発言： neighbors are gone? there not just hiding somewhere?[/quote]

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- 2008年 07月 22日 15:06
Re: neighbors???????

dicksonstdigest said:
neighbors are gone? there not just hiding somewhere?

Neighbours are still there! Click the top which you can find on the top left side.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]dicksonstdigest[/user][/b] said: neighbors are gone? there not just hiding somewhere?[/quote] Neighbours are still there! Click the top which you can find on the top left side. [/quote]

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- dicksonstdigest の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 15:26
ahh yes!

thank you. now i see it. along the upper left side of my profile page, not my home page.

[quote][b][user]dicksonstdigest[/user][/b] さんの発言： thank you. now i see it. along the upper left side of my profile page, not my home page.[/quote]

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- maybejared の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 15:45
neighbors

i use last.fm quite a bit, and i definitely miss
- neighbors on my profile page.... i always found cool new music by clicking on those in my profile
- taste-o-meter

[quote][b][user]maybejared[/user][/b] さんの発言： i use last.fm quite a bit, and i definitely miss - neighbors on my profile page.... i always found cool new music by clicking on those in my profile - taste-o-meter[/quote]

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- astro1_rohit の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 16:10
reply tracker

[quote][b][user]astro1_rohit[/user][/b] さんの発言： reply tracker[/quote]

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- blackcherrypie の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 16:44
the taste-o-meter is still there!

things I miss:
-the shoutbox in a convenient place, I'm a heavy user, don't like too much scrolling to see it. and with this, I just miss the layout as it was
-dashboard with events from your friends, I'm sure I'm gonna miss out on gigs now
-weekly top artist on the mainprofile (because yes I'm aware you can still see them with some scrolling and click-click-clicking)
-the overall cosy feeling that the former lastfm had

I also think people should give the moderators a break, I think they've been more helpfull than they have to be.

[quote][b][user]blackcherrypie[/user][/b] さんの発言： the taste-o-meter is still there! things I miss: -the shoutbox in a convenient place, I'm a heavy user, don't like too much scrolling to see it. and with this, I just miss the layout as it was -dashboard with events from your friends, I'm sure I'm gonna miss out on gigs now -weekly top artist on the mainprofile (because yes I'm aware you can still see them with some scrolling and click-click-clicking) -the overall cosy feeling that the former lastfm had I also think people should give the moderators a break, I think they've been more helpfull than they have to be. [/quote]

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- Cerpin-Taxt の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 22日 17:15
I just don't get it.. Why are these great features gone.. :(

- seperate search for artists and tracks
- recommended events in an area + setting the distance (this feature was really useful)
- friends attending events on my dashboard
- TAG CLOUD on artist page (not hidden in the nav bar)
- ...

[quote][b][user]Cerpin-Taxt[/user][/b] さんの発言： I just don't get it.. Why are these great features gone.. :( - seperate search for artists and tracks - recommended events in an area + setting the distance (this feature was really useful) - friends attending events on my dashboard - TAG CLOUD on artist page (not hidden in the nav bar) - ...[/quote]

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- zeppyfish の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 23日 12:35
I guess I feel partly to blame for all this, since I'm a paid subscriber and was told a few months back that I could become a beta user and give input. I did go to the beta site a few times and offered a few basic comments, but I didn't join the beta group or participate in the discussions. Based on what I've heard (and what last.fm is telling us), they tried to make the changes based on input from the beta users. Maybe if more of us had gone to beta and yelled about keeping the shoutbox, weekly artists, tag clouds, neighbors, etc..., this wouldn't have happened.

The question is: who were the beta users who LIKED things this way? Has anyone gone to the beta users group and looked at what they're saying? Is this what THEY wanted?

[quote][b][user]zeppyfish[/user][/b] さんの発言： I guess I feel partly to blame for all this, since I'm a paid subscriber and was told a few months back that I could become a beta user and give input. I did go to the beta site a few times and offered a few basic comments, but I didn't join the beta group or participate in the discussions. Based on what I've heard (and what last.fm is telling us), they tried to make the changes based on input from the beta users. Maybe if more of us had gone to beta and yelled about keeping the shoutbox, weekly artists, tag clouds, neighbors, etc..., this wouldn't have happened. The question is: who were the beta users who LIKED things this way? Has anyone gone to the beta users group and looked at what they're saying? Is this what THEY wanted? [/quote]

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- anadm の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 23日 12:56
- the last played tracks picture mosaic.
- tag clouds.
- having my profile, groups and shouts in a decent well-thought place, not under some giant ad, while a stupid menu bar that should be horizontal is there taking its space

From the drip drip drip of the teardrops
To the chink chink chink of the cash
Everything leads to corruption.

[quote][b][user]anadm[/user][/b] さんの発言： - the last played tracks picture mosaic. - tag clouds. - having my profile, groups and shouts in a decent well-thought place, not under some giant ad, while a stupid menu bar that should be horizontal is there taking its space[/quote]

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- louis2007 の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 23日 13:13
Bring back these features.

I had a flashing avatar, bring that back. Bring back neighbors on the right. Bring back "about me" on the left under the avatar. Also bring back all recommendations grouped together.

[quote][b][user]louis2007[/user][/b] さんの発言： I had a flashing avatar, bring that back. Bring back neighbors on the right. Bring back "about me" on the left under the avatar. Also bring back all recommendations grouped together.[/quote]

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- _Tarkus_ の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 23日 13:24
zeppyfish said:
The question is: who were the beta users who LIKED things this way? Has anyone gone to the beta users group and looked at what they're saying? Is this what THEY wanted?
I was there virtually the entire beta period. I would characterize the general opinion that most people liked the new features, such as rolling charts and recommendations, but hated missing features, such as no Reply Tracker and the reduced charts. I would say most didn't care much for the look and general layout, either. The flash player was particularly unpopular.

That said, it's only fair to point out that many improvements were made based on user feedback. For example, the About Me used to be right below Recently Listened Tracks, and Recent Visitors were only shown on the home page for subscribers.

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[quote][b][user]_Tarkus_[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]zeppyfish[/user][/b] said: The question is: who were the beta users who LIKED things this way? Has anyone gone to the beta users group and looked at what they're saying? Is this what THEY wanted? [/quote] I was there virtually the entire beta period. I would characterize the general opinion that most people liked the new features, such as rolling charts and recommendations, but hated missing features, such as no Reply Tracker and the reduced charts. I would say most didn't care much for the look and general layout, either. The flash player was particularly unpopular. That said, it's only fair to point out that many improvements were made based on user feedback. For example, the About Me used to be right below Recently Listened Tracks, and Recent Visitors were only shown on the home page for subscribers.[/quote]

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- m3galoman1ac の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 23日 15:31
my .gif's don't work!
-_-

[quote][b][user]m3galoman1ac[/user][/b] さんの発言： my .gif's don't work! -_-[/quote]

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- mikkotor の発言...
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- 2008年 07月 23日 16:44
Play in popup was the best feature ever.
Now I have to keep a full-blown tab page open in Firefox just to hear some music, that's rubbish.

[quote][b][user]mikkotor[/user][/b] さんの発言： [b]Play in popup[/b] was the [u]best feature ever.[/u] Now I have to keep a full-blown tab page open in Firefox just to hear some music, that's rubbish.[/quote]

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