Last.fm giving data to the RIAA?

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- mattl の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 08:16
Last.fm giving data to the RIAA?

via http://www.techcrunch.com/

That leaked U2 album is causing all sorts of trouble. The unreleased album, which is due out on March 3, found its way onto BitTorrent and was downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. That, apparently, sent music industry lawyers over at the Recording Industry Association of America into a fit. As a result, word is going around that the RIAA asked social music service Last.fm for data about its user’s listening habits to find people with unreleased tracks on their computers. And Last.fm, which is owned by CBS, actually handed the data over to the RIAA. According to a tip we received:

I heard from an irate friend who works at CBS that last.fm recently provided the RIAA with a giant dump of user data to track down people who are scrobbling unreleased tracks. As word spread numerous employees at last.fm were up in arms because the data collected (a) can be used to identify individuals and (b) will likely be shared with 3rd parties that have relationships with the RIAA.

Supposedly, the operations team which handed over the data in the first place weren’t told the true purpose for the transfer or who was getting the data until after the fact, and only when they had to help with some corrupted data. It sounds like it was more of a corporate decision. I’ve contacted both CBS and the RIAA. Most of the Last.fm team is in London, where the weekend has already started. For now CBS says: “To our knowledge, no data has been made available to RIAA.” (The RIAA declined to comment).

I think we need a response on this.

[quote][b][user]mattl[/user][/b] さんの発言： via http://www.techcrunch.com/ [quote]That leaked U2 album is causing all sorts of trouble. The unreleased album, which is due out on March 3, found its way onto BitTorrent and was downloaded hundreds of thousands of times. That, apparently, sent music industry lawyers over at the Recording Industry Association of America into a fit. As a result, word is going around that the RIAA asked social music service Last.fm for data about its user’s listening habits to find people with unreleased tracks on their computers. And Last.fm, which is owned by CBS, actually handed the data over to the RIAA. According to a tip we received: [quote]I heard from an irate friend who works at CBS that last.fm recently provided the RIAA with a giant dump of user data to track down people who are scrobbling unreleased tracks. As word spread numerous employees at last.fm were up in arms because the data collected (a) can be used to identify individuals and (b) will likely be shared with 3rd parties that have relationships with the RIAA.[/quote] Supposedly, the operations team which handed over the data in the first place weren’t told the true purpose for the transfer or who was getting the data until after the fact, and only when they had to help with some corrupted data. It sounds like it was more of a corporate decision. I’ve contacted both CBS and the RIAA. Most of the Last.fm team is in London, where the weekend has already started. For now CBS says: “To our knowledge, no data has been made available to RIAA.” (The RIAA declined to comment). [/quote] I think we need a response on this. [/quote]

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- livejamie の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 08:30
I came to the forum to see if this specifically has been addressed.

`(live)jamie+

[quote][b][user]livejamie[/user][/b] さんの発言： I came to the forum to see if this specifically has been addressed.[/quote]

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- Cennydd の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 08:35
Agreed. A last.fm comment would be appreciated ASAP.

[quote][b][user]Cennydd[/user][/b] さんの発言： Agreed. A last.fm comment would be appreciated ASAP.[/quote]

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- akrde の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 08:35
+1

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- jamble の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 08:37
It would be interesting to see if it's true or not but I suspect all that we'll hear is some vague and non-committal statement.

Still, if you listen to U2, you should be in prison anyway.

[quote][b][user]jamble[/user][/b] さんの発言： It would be interesting to see if it's true or not but I suspect all that we'll hear is some vague and non-committal statement. Still, if you listen to U2, you should be in prison anyway.[/quote]

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- Russ の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 08:48
I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it.

Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for.

As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.

[quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] さんの発言： I'd like to issue a full and categorical denial of this. We've never had any request for such data by anyone, and if we did we wouldn't consent to it. Of course we work with the major labels and provide them with broad statistics, as we would with any other label, but we'd never personally identify our users to a third party - that goes against everything we stand for. As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.[/quote]

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- の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 08:58
Lol how would they know whether i've been listening to the full track or just a sample, anyway.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] さんの発言： Lol how would they know whether i've been listening to the full track or just a sample, anyway.[/quote]

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- rupert0 の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:00
/me puts on thin foil hat......

Bombtracks....

[quote][b][user]rupert0[/user][/b] さんの発言： /me puts on thin foil hat......[/quote]

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- Cennydd の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:00
Russ, I'm delighted to hear that, and frankly I hoped/believed the error was TC's rather than yours. I do hope you're able to mobilise this denial before mob rule kicks in.

[quote][b][user]Cennydd[/user][/b] さんの発言： Russ, I'm delighted to hear that, and frankly I hoped/believed the error was TC's rather than yours. I do hope you're able to mobilise this denial before mob rule kicks in.[/quote]

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- formulaic666 の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:01
Russ said: As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.

To a certain extent would have understood reasons for doing so but nice to see Last.fm taking an unequivocal stance on this rather than issue some kind of vague nothing answer. Bravo!

Swan-diving off the tongues of crippled giants

[quote][b][user]formulaic666[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]Russ[/user][/b] said: As far as I'm concerned Techcrunch have made this whole story up.[/quote] To a certain extent would have understood reasons for doing so but nice to see Last.fm taking an unequivocal stance on this rather than issue some kind of vague nothing answer. Bravo![/quote]

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- mullingitover の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:10
Just out of curiosity, what sort of broad statistics are given to the labels, and how does last.fm keep sensitive user data like IP address from the RIAA given that it's owned by CBS, a RIAA company?

[quote][b][user]mullingitover[/user][/b] さんの発言： Just out of curiosity, what sort of broad statistics are given to the labels, and how does last.fm keep sensitive user data like IP address from the RIAA given that it's owned by CBS, a RIAA company?[/quote]

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- moltenmaverick の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:18
Very good to see. Thanks.

[quote][b][user]moltenmaverick[/user][/b] さんの発言： Very good to see. Thanks. [/quote]

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- RJ の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:18
What russ said.

I couldn't resist leaving a comment on the techcrunch article.

Information wants to be beer.

[quote][b][user]RJ[/user][/b] さんの発言： I couldn't resist leaving [url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/20/did-lastfm-just-hand-over-user-listening-data-to-the-riaa/#comment-2632012]a comment[/url] on the techcrunch article. [/quote]

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- DudeMustBeCrazy の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:21
Re: What russ said.

RJ said:
I couldn't resist leaving a comment on the techcrunch article. Dude.
That was awesome.

[quote][b][user]DudeMustBeCrazy[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]RJ[/user][/b] said: I couldn't resist leaving [url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/20/did-lastfm-just-hand-over-user-listening-data-to-the-riaa/#comment-2632012]a comment[/url] on the techcrunch article. [/quote]Dude. That was awesome.[/quote]

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- xParker の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:23
*deletes all U2 scrobbles*

.. kidding

http://twitter.com/xparker

[quote][b][user]xParker[/user][/b] さんの発言： *deletes all U2 scrobbles* .. kidding[/quote]

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- redwine の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:23
out

depending on how this goes down, i may be out. and I've been scrobbling for 5 years.

"There's this dream, then I'm awake..."

-Jack.

[quote][b][user]redwine[/user][/b] さんの発言： depending on how this goes down, i may be out. and I've been scrobbling for 5 years.[/quote]

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- mokele の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:28
Re: out

redwine said:
depending on how this goes down, i may be out. and I've been scrobbling for 5 years.

Please checkout Russ and RJ's responses. Makes for more informative reading full of the facts.

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[quote][b][user]mokele[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]redwine[/user][/b] said: depending on how this goes down, i may be out. and I've been scrobbling for 5 years.[/quote] Please checkout Russ and RJ's responses. Makes for more informative reading full of the facts.[/quote]
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- xParker の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:31
Re: What russ said.

RJ said:
I couldn't resist leaving a comment on the techcrunch article.
lmao!

http://twitter.com/xparker

[quote][b][user]xParker[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]RJ[/user][/b] said: I couldn't resist leaving [url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/20/did-lastfm-just-hand-over-user-listening-data-to-the-riaa/#comment-2632012]a comment[/url] on the techcrunch article. [/quote] lmao![/quote]

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- Burkey の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:31
How the heck does scrobbling prove anything legally..? I mean, couldn't I tag a random mp3 with U2 - "Some leaked new song" to get it scrobbled? It doesn't mean I actually downloaded the leak.

[quote][b][user]Burkey[/user][/b] さんの発言： How the heck does scrobbling prove anything legally..? I mean, couldn't I tag a random mp3 with U2 - "Some leaked new song" to get it scrobbled? It doesn't mean I actually downloaded the leak.[/quote]

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- Hollyhol2 の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:33
*Changing The Killers ID3-Tags into U2-Tags and hoping for RIAA coming to his house*
Oh my, guess this will never happen...

[quote][b][user]Hollyhol2[/user][/b] さんの発言： *Changing The Killers ID3-Tags into U2-Tags and hoping for RIAA coming to his house* Oh my, guess this will never happen... [/quote]

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- Kates134 の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:39
Re: What russ said.

RJ said:
I couldn't resist leaving a comment on the techcrunch article.

thanks rj and russ - the comments you posted to techcrunch alone are definitely helping me out :)

[quote][b][user]Kates134[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]RJ[/user][/b] said: I couldn't resist leaving [url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/20/did-lastfm-just-hand-over-user-listening-data-to-the-riaa/#comment-2632012]a comment[/url] on the techcrunch article. [/quote] thanks rj and russ - the comments you posted to techcrunch alone are definitely helping me out :) [/quote]

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- Louie_man の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:39
That's what you get for listening to U2.

[quote][b][user]Louie_man[/user][/b] さんの発言： That's what you get for listening to U2.[/quote]

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- lozzd の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:43
Burkey said:
How the heck does scrobbling prove anything legally..? I mean, couldn't I tag a random mp3 with U2 - "Some leaked new song" to get it scrobbled? It doesn't mean I actually downloaded the leak.
Correct.

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[quote][b][user]lozzd[/user][/b] さんの発言： [quote][b][user]Burkey[/user][/b] said: How the heck does scrobbling prove anything legally..? I mean, couldn't I tag a random mp3 with U2 - "Some leaked new song" to get it scrobbled? It doesn't mean I actually downloaded the leak.[/quote] Correct.[/quote]

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- neverlandean の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:48
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- dmeredith_uk の発言...
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- 2009年 02月 21日 09:49
I've added my 2p worth to the techcrunch site as well. It's a pretty basic thing to check facts before publishing info from what seems to be a "friend of a friend"!

[quote][b][user]dmeredith_uk[/user][/b] さんの発言： I've added my 2p worth to the techcrunch site as well. It's a pretty basic thing to check facts before publishing info from what seems to be a "friend of a friend"![/quote]

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